4:13 Podcast: Can I Uncomplicate My Relationship With Food? With Erin Davis [Episode 234]

Erin Davis: I think women, many of us, have complicated relationships with food. And, I don't know, I hit my forties and thought this can't be it. It just can't be that my whole life is this struggle with something I interact with every single day, being food. God has to have a bigger, better plan. And, of course, he does. He reveals it in Scripture.

Jennifer Rothschild: Does your relationship with food keep you feeling guilty, confused, or frustrated, or does food feel like a God-given blessing to you? Or maybe you bounce between those two ways of thinking and feeling. Whether it's a warm croissant, a bright bowl of fruit, a piece of cake, or a steaming cup of coffee put in front of her, author and Bible teacher Erin Davis has experienced all sorts of complicated responses to food. And she has discovered that the Bible celebrates food as a gift, while at the very same time the Bible invites us to surrender every area of our lives, including what we put on our plates.

So today we are going to enjoy Erin's fresh perspective on food and we are going to de-complicate our relationship with it. So pull your chair up to the table. This is going to be good to the last bite. Or shall I say, to the last sound bite.

K.C. Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you and I up to live the "I Can" life, because -- here's truth -- you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Welcome back, our friends. We're so glad you're here, our 4:13ers. I've been on the road. And I get to meet so many of you in all the cities where I show up, and it is so fun for me. But I will tell you, K.C. does not come. And the reason I'm telling you this, everybody asks, "Where's K.C.? Where's K.C.?" I keep him in the closet, y'all. He's just too hard to control if I get him out of the closet. Just kidding. I wish you could travel with me, K.C.

K.C. Wright: Oh, man, that'd be so much fun.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, we did prerecord this because I am on the road right now heading to Jackson, Mississippi. As I told you a couple weeks ago, I'm going to be with Lysa TerKeurst this weekend for a Fresh Grounded Faith. So join us if you're close by in Jackson. And I can guarantee you, I have my backpack full of my on-the-road snacks. And because we're talking about de-complicating our relationship with food --

K.C. Wright: Yes?

Jennifer Rothschild: -- I think we should talk about foods that complicate our lives.

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: Let's talk about our go-to foods, let's talk about our comfort foods.

K.C. Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: But I'll tell you what's in my backpack right now.

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: Target has this brand --

K.C. Wright: Target?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. What is their brand? It's, like, called Good & Gather. But anyway, I'll have it on the show notes. But they have these almonds that are thinly coated with dark chocolate.

K.C. Wright: Ooh.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, I am addicted. Okay, so I love those. The other thing I love is Godiva.

K.C. Wright: Oh, hello. You had me at Godiva.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know, right? They make this package, it looks like a -- you know, one of those -- like a Lindt candy bar, one of the big ones that's like four or five bucks. But it's shaped like that, but inside it you open up the envelope and it's all these thin, individually wrapped dark chocolate bars. They are so good, K.C. They're like the shape -- you know, like the size of a KitKat bar, like one piece of a KitKat?

K.C. Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: They're about that size. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so I love those. And then the last thing --

K.C. Wright: You're so cute.

Jennifer Rothschild: Here's the last thing that I always take with me.

K.C. Wright: Just beam with light when you talk about dark chocolate.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's really sad. It's really sad. You can tell it works on my dopamine.

K.C. Wright: Jesus and chocolate --

Jennifer Rothschild: Seriously. I'm not even lying.

K.C. Wright: -- two things to spark joy.

Jennifer Rothschild: They do. Okay, but -- stop. You're interrupting.

K.C. Wright: Sorry. Sorry.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, here's the last thing. All right, so you know I've been on this low carb thing for a couple of years?

K.C. Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, there are these chips that are way too expensive, but I decided they are worth it to me. They're made by Quest.

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: Q-u-e-s-t, Quest. Okay. And they're like the -- they're like a fake Dorito. Okay, but they're low carb, high protein. And they're like -- they come in the little bags, like -- but they're like $3 a bag. They're so expensive. Oh, but they're so good. And so that is, like, my salt fix. All right, so there you go. I'm going to have links to all that on the show notes. This stuff could change your life. Maybe you'll beam and be as excited as me.

Okay. But, K.C., what are your comfort foods or what are your go-tos?

K.C. Wright: Well, hold on. Just so you know, we are not being paid by these companies.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hmm-mm.

K.C. Wright: Because you painted such an excellent picture of all of those snacks, I immediately want to go buy them right now.

Jennifer Rothschild: See? I'm telling you.

K.C. Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

K.C. Wright: Well, I'm doing CrossFit right now and so I'm trying to get rid of the dad bod. Which a friend told me recently that ladies are now into the dad bod, but too late because that's what I've been walking around with for 20 years and haven't found you. So it's Operation Kill the Fatted Calf right now.

And so the one comfort food that I am missing, that I am not going to put on my lips -- I love ice cream.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh.

K.C. Wright: I could bathe in ice cream. Just put me in a tub with it in and a spoon. Oh, that's a terrible visual. Anyway...

But in our town, we have Andy's Frozen Custard.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, yeah.

K.C. Wright: And right now you can drive through and get a vanilla Andy's with a slice of pumpkin pie in it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, wow.

K.C. Wright: And I miss that. But I'm still baking for my parents and my daughter; I just don't eat it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, that's such discipline.

K.C. Wright: Uh-huh. I am thankful that my protein shake actually tastes like a chocolate milkshake, and that's what's getting me over. Plus, I can do a handful of blueberries. But ice cream is my one thing that I'm craving. Second would be potatoes and all things potatoes. I like them fried, baked. Keep going down the list, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: That's good. Okay, well, everybody's got their thing. And here's the deal, K.C. What we are about to hear from Erin -- because I got the sneak peek since I got to talk to her -- is that there is a place for that. There really is. There is a place for feasting, for enjoying those things, but there's also a time and a place for fasting. And that's not something we talk about a ton. But I got to give you one little behind-the-scenes that's very cool. So when I'm having this conversation with Erin right before you'll hear us, she reminded me of something that I don't know that I had totally remembered. So many years ago, her husband called Phil -- because they live in Missouri -- and called my husband Phil and said, Hey, my wife, I can just tell the hand of the Lord is upon her and he's opening doors of ministry. And I know you're so supportive of your wife. Can you give me some coaching on how to be a good husband and help my wife as she's developing in ministry? Isn't that cool?

Well, all I can say is this woman, Erin, is a powerhouse. She's written several books. I know you're going to introduce her. But I just am like, thank you, Lord, that Erin was given a man like Jason and that they're in it together, that Phil was able to speak into their ministry. We're all in this together. And so I want you guys to really tune in, because you're going to enjoy and have a lot of respect for Erin and her perspective.

K.C. Wright: Erin Davis is a writer and teacher passionately committed to getting women of all ages to the deep well of God's Word. She's the author of more than a dozen books and Bible studies, including "Connected," "Seven Feasts," and "Beyond Bath Time." Erin serves as the content director for Revive Our Hearts and hosts the Deep Well Podcast. When she's not writing, she's chasing chickens -- true story -- and her other chickens, her children, on her small farm in the Midwest. Chasing all the little chickens.

All right, let's enjoy Erin and Jennifer's conversation.

Jennifer Rothschild: Chickens and chillens.

Erin, in your book you give us a really good glimpse into your own complicated relationship with food. So why don't you tell us what your first step towards freedom in this area of your life was.

Erin Davis: Well, the first step towards freedom in any area of our life is to realize we're in bondage. And there's a passage in Galatians that I just love where it says that it was for freedom's sake that Christ set us free. I think it has a double meaning. It's talking about salvation there, and that -- you know, grace and all of that. But also the idea that as followers of Jesus, we should live free lives. And so I pay attention. There's also a verse in, I think, 1 Peter that says a man is enslaved to whatever controls him.

And so I try to pay attention to, like, where do I feel out of control? Where do I feel like I am not experiencing freedom? Where do I feel like somebody else is calling the shots and I don't like how that feels? And I think food is that for many of us. I've only ever been a woman, so I can only speak for women. But I think women -- many of us have complicated relationships with food. And, I don't know, I hit my forties and thought this can't be it. It just can't be that my whole life is this struggle with something I interact with every single day, being food. God has to have a bigger, better plan. And, of course, he does. He reveals it in Scripture. So I think that first step was just going, nah, I don't really want things to be this way forever.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. That's good. I mean, that's a perfect place to start this conversation, because lots of people listening have that, and they're going, oh, yeah, I got that thing, that thing. And often it is food. I mean, it has been for me in the past, so I get it. I love to create non-issues. That's what I call this. So I think your book does that well. It redeems all of the bondage that could have been with food.

So let's just go this direction, because people have lots of different ideas when it comes to fasting and feasting. Okay? So let's break them down. What do these two words mean to you? What is fasting? What is fasting?

Erin Davis: Well, I have found, in my own journey and then in discussing this topic with people in the church like you, is that people usually have a strong reaction to one or the other of those words. Either it's fasting -- and that's something that feels totally weird, like, they don't understand it, is that even good for me -- or it's feasting, which is like, am I really supposed to indulge? Aren't I supposed to have this sacrificial life? We don't even realize how much we've been taught the message that food is an enemy, so we can kind of resist that.

But what I see in Scriptures both of those rhythms. What I see when I think of fasting is that the Christian life is a life of self-denial. Jesus did call us to pick up our cross and follow him. And in his mercy, he didn't mean a literal cross like he died on, but he's saying there are times when you're going to have to lay down yourself to follow me. And fasting falls in that category. It's a daily need. If you try going without food very long today, your body is going to go, hold on, wait a minute, something's wrong. And God built that need meter in.

Then you think of feasting. That's also all over Scripture. Literally there are feasts in Scripture. But there's also this idea that Jesus came to give us an abundant life, that he calls us to a life of gratitude and thanksgiving, and that means embracing our food with gratitude and thanksgiving. In the Book of Revelation, kind of the culmination of all things will be this Marriage Supper of the Lamb. So when God writes about the future for his body, there's food involved, there's a table involved. So they're both there.

And the word I hear women say all the time is balance. And I don't see that word in Scripture. What I see is abide, what I see is trust. And so can we trust him to have these two kind of alternate and sometimes contrasting rhythms when it comes to our relationship with food? I've found that the answer is yes, we can trust him with that.

Jennifer Rothschild: Erin this is a really lovely, whimsical, and profound approach. It really is. It's not something we hear often. And I am very grateful that the Lord has led you to write about this, because I think it's going to bring some real freedom. So what advice would you give someone, a woman, who may be trying to find a connection between their relationship with God and their relationship with food?

Erin Davis: Well, if your gut is telling you that there's something there, that this is more than food and that there's a spiritual application, you're totally right. I mean, Romans 1 tells us that the invisible nature of God is visible in what he's made. That is really a profound idea, that I can look around at the world around me, the trees, yes; the clouds, yes; the sunrise, yes; but also the blueberries that are in my refrigerator right now; the eggs that the chickens in my backyard are going to lay today, and that that is -- there's something to teach me in all of that about who God is. And for me, the most basic building block -- this is going to sound, like, so elementary, but it's been revolutionary to me -- is that God created food and it's good. God created such variety in food. It could have been oatmeal all day every day. I do like oatmeal. I do not want to eat it all day every day. Instead, he's given us -- I mean, there's -- did you know there's 7,000 different kinds of apples and there's -- think about all the kinds of berries and protein and all of those things. Well, why did he do that? Because he loves us and he wants to give us this beautiful, abundant life. So for me, it just started with, okay, God, this food's from you. I didn't create this fruit. I didn't create this juicy T-bone; you created that. And so thank you for that. And what else is it that you want to teach me?

And Scripture is just so beautiful. You can go to Scripture with anything that you have a hunch about or a question about and say, Okay, God, what is your truth on this? And if you do that with food, be prepared to take a lot of notes in your journal, because -- I mean, let's start in Genesis. Adam and Eve, the fall of man. Food was certainly involved there. The Israelites wandering in the desert, they were upset about their leeks and garlic back that they left in Egypt, the Seven Feasts which are Promised Land realities given to us in Leviticus. Jesus' first miracle, water into wine. The Last Supper, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, Jesus describing himself as the Bread of Life and telling us he was going to be poured out as a drink offering. So food is all over your Bible, and that's by design. So I think the question you just asked, when you come to those food references is, okay, what does this show me about God? And in knowing God better, how does it change my relationship with food?

So it's a process. There's no easy button. But I just think, does God care about what you eat? Absolutely. Do you care about what God says about what you eat? That's a good question to ask.

Jennifer Rothschild: Good paradigm. Good paradigm shift on that.

All right. So your book, it offers a prayer guide at the end of each one of your devotionals. And so let's talk through that. Why is prayer so important when it comes to fasting, feasting, or even just finding freedom in this area?

Erin Davis: Yeah. Well, if you're fasting and you're not praying, you're not fasting, you're just dieting. So the idea behind fasting is that we turn down our appetite for the flesh, the things that we physically eat, in the hopes that that will turn up our appetite for the Spirit. So for me it's very practical. When I fast, I try to substitute the minutes that I would have spent eating, meal prepping, cleaning up after eating -- which is a lot of minutes in a woman's day if you add it up -- with prayer. Not a one-to-one, it's not legalistic, but, hey, I'm skipping lunch today. That gives me about 30 minutes to walk and pray. So that's an important part of the fasting equation.

But prayer is our rhythm with God. It's really our only two-way communication. We have Scripture, which is God downloading to us, and we receive that and try and interpret it. But prayer, we speak; God speaks, we listen. So for every area of our life, we need prayer. And you're probably actually praying more about your food than you realize. Most of us pray before we eat. We have a very rote prayer in my family that I prayed when I was a little girl, we pray it with my little boys, and so it can become white noise. But prayer is just inviting God into that crevice of your life.

I have a friend who's lost 60 pounds, which is a lot, simply by praying before she eats, "God, what is it you would have me to eat here?" And that can feel kind of mystical, like we're conjuring something up, but God cares about what we eat. He cares about whether we're putting things into our bodies that are going to help us flourish or not.

And so that prayer guide works this way. There's a prompt that says, "Lord, we've set the table." And it's the idea that, okay, God, I've brought what I can, and then I ask you to bring the feast, which is, God, do what only you can do. By the power of your Spirit, help me to see truth and walk in it here. So I think praying about what we eat, when we eat, who we eat with is really God honoring.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, and you mentioned your little boys. So you have a family. So this is not something Erin does in isolation, this rhythm of fasting, feasting, praying, et cetera. So how has going on this journey changed the way your family relates to food?

Erin Davis: Yeah, all boys at my house. I have four sons ages 4 to 14, so a range of different developmental phases and awareness. And I grew up in a house with a mom who loved Jesus, but didn't love herself very much, and she was constantly on a diet. And as a little girl, that was very confusing to me because I thought my mom was the most beautiful woman in the world -- I still do -- but she was always going on these strange meal plans. And when I became a parent, I thought not on my watch. I would love to see that generational pattern break.

And so part of it is I don't want them to see me dieting, but I do want them to see me surrendering my food rhythms to the Lord. So I've done a series of fasts and I tell them about them. Now, they're little and so I wouldn't presume that they understand all of that. But I can say things like, "Mommy's not going to eat tonight because I'm asking the Lord to do something really unique in the area of this." Or, "You know that friend we have that's sick? Mama's going to fast tonight and pray for that friend, but you go ahead and eat." While their bodies are developing, I don't see anything in Scripture that indicates that they need to be fasting regularly. But they know that's going on.

But a big part of this for me is stewardship. It falls under Christian freedom. Everything is permissible for me, including donuts, ice cream for breakfast, you know, whatever you want to insert there. But I have to do everything the Lord has for me to do from my body. I have to love my husband for the rest of my life with a body. I have to parent those four boys God's given me with a body. I have to study and teach the Bible with a body. I have to be a contributing member of the church with a body. So I think where that conversation really happens most in our family is what is the most God-honoring approach here to food. And sometimes that is just having fun and ordering pizza for the night so that we can have more time together as a family, and sometimes it's going, "Buddy, you can eat that, Mama could eat that," but it's not going to make us feel good, and then we're going to be grumpy with each other. What's the better choice here?

So like all things in parenting, I think it's ongoing. It's that Deuteronomy verse where we talk about it as we go; it's not just one-and-done conversation. But I hope that they would say they see me trying to honor God with my food and bringing them along in that journey.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, Erin, what I love about it, too, is your relationship with food is really not so much a relationship with food, it's a relationship -- it's a reflection of your relationship with God. So it creates it in this non-issue. It's not about a donut or ice cream or a vegetable, it's about stewardship and rhythms and relationship with God. There's so much freedom there.

And I think a lot of us grew up how you just described, with -- a very difficult relationship with food. And so I appreciate this process that you're describing and I'm recommending again -- and, of course, as I've already done -- your book, because I think it's going to give us a really good way to process this. Because some people who are listening have never fasted before, ever, and the thought of missing one meal, much less one week of meals, freaks them out. All right?

Erin Davis: Right.

Jennifer Rothschild: So if someone is just now beginning to process even this thought of, "Really, fasting?" give us the why. Why would we want to even consider fasting? Besides the fact that it's in the Bible and people did it, why would we want to?

Erin Davis: Well, I love that you're there, if that's you. And I think that's actually a really common experience. Part of why I wrote the book is I thought, well, I see fasting all over my Bible, but I don't hear Christians talking about it much. And I think there's some good reasons for that. The Bible does tell us not to use it to draw attention to ourselves. But I see fasting as a gift that many of us just leave wrapped up. As New Testament followers of Jesus, it's not a mandate. Now, sometimes it was in the Old Testament, usually for the whole nation of Israel. But it's not a salvation issue. You can follow Jesus for many, many years and never fast a day in your life, and the Lord's going to say, "Come on in. Well done, good and faithful servant." So I don't want it to be something that we attach to salvation or to God's approval of us. It's not that.

But fasting is feasting. It is like all of the spiritual disciplines: prayer, Sabbath rest, being with the body of Christ regularly, studying Scripture, baptism. Those things are gifts that God gives us to help us know him more and showcase him to a lost and dying world. And this has been my experience. I think that eventually God puts it onto the heart of all mature followers of Jesus. I don't think he starts this with us the day we come to him. But I think for all mature followers of Jesus, there starts to be this kind of tapping on our heart. "Have you thought about fasting?" And we ignore it, we push it aside because we don't know what that means. So I would just encourage you again to open your Bible. Just read the Gospels and you'll see these rhythms displayed in Jesus' life. Jesus fasted and Jesus feasted.

Really the passage that turned me on to this idea was Mark 9, and that's where Jesus heals a demon-possessed boy. And the disciples say, "Well, why couldn't we do that?" And Jesus said, "This kind can only be driven out by prayer and fasting." And it was when I came against some "this kinds" in my life, some things that I could not drive out, that I thought, okay, I don't understand this fasting thing, but Jesus did it, and he indicates in his Word that there is some unique way that it has power over strongholds in our life, so that was enough for me to get started. So just follow Jesus' lead. That's a great way to get started.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's a great way to get started with every single thing in life.

Erin Davis: Amen.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow, Erin. You are a powerhouse. You really are. And what I love -- and I know our listeners have heard also -- is you are constantly, constantly quoting Scripture. Which just is -- that's where our life is and that's what gives us life.

Erin Davis: Amen.

Jennifer Rothschild: So I just am so grateful for that, just as your sister in Christ.

But we're going to move to our last question. I would love it if you would end with giving us some very practical ways to invite God to our table, whether it's just us at the table or whether it's a family or a dinner party. But what are some practical ways we can invite God to our table?

Erin Davis: Well, here's my highest hope for everyone listening and for you, Jennifer, and for me. The psalmist wrote, "Taste and see that the Lord is good." And that's taken on new depth for me in this journey, because I think the psalmist could have said look and see, listen and see, touch and see. I mean, we can do all of those things and experience God's goodness, but he chose taste. And I think God's Word is the feast. God himself is the feast. And I would just embrace him and say, Okay, God. I haven't ever thought about this before, but I have to eat every day. And that wasn't an accident. Here's some trivia for you. Cave dwelling olms are these little lizards that live in the bottom of caves. They can eat only once a decade. Sharks can go months without eating. That's why they're so hungry. And God didn't make us that way. He made us so that we have to eat every single day. So practically, just acknowledge that God's made you that way and that that's a rhythm he has set inside you because he wants to teach you something about who he is. So reframe it. It's not just something you have to do, it's not even something you get to do -- I love to eat -- but it is something that could be a daily parable.

And then practically, your table is a beautiful place that God has created in your home for intimacy. Look up "table" in Scripture. You're going to see it everywhere, too. So it's a place of intimacy, a place of intimacy with your family. I have a busy household, four boys, you can imagine. We're almost always running to soccer or basketball or football or all of it in one night. So those times that we actually get to sit down at the table, look each other in the eye -- we do highs and lows at my house every night. What was your high? What was your low? -- there's intimacy there. So celebrate that.

And your table is a place of tremendous ministry. We've lost some of this in COVID. We're not quite sure how to invite people over to each other's houses anymore, and hospitality is something that we can struggle with with the pace of our lives. But I would encourage you to think of your table as a mission field. Who can you invite over this week to bless, to showcase God's goodness? It's fall here as we're recording this, so that means at the Davis household, Firepit Fridays are back on. I don't cook elaborate meals. I might have a pot of chili in the Crock Pot; I might not. We might roast hot dogs; we might not. We're not at a literal table, but the invitation to the people we know and love is, "Come over. We want to be with you." And that's true, we do want to be with them, but we also want to be a place where people come and experience respite. It's my hope that people pull onto our little farm, and they don't even consciously know it, but something inside of them goes, Ahh, that's better. And that happens around the table.

So practically, invite the Lord to your table. He's already there. Talk about him at the table and invite other people to your table so that they can experience the goodness of God in your midst. And you could just pop popcorn. We get hung up on the to-dos of it. Man, just pop some popcorn, just have hot chocolate, and invite people to feast along with you so that they might taste and see that the Lord is good.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, Erin, you need to put out a bunch of chairs because there's going to be a whole bunch of 4:13ERS coming for Firepit Friday very soon.

Erin Davis: Come on over.

Jennifer Rothschild: This was awesome. Thank you so much.

Erin Davis: My pleasure.

K.C. Wright: If you have never thought of fasting and feasting, you need more than this podcast. You need her book. Did you hear how much Scripture she quoted and referred to?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. I loved it.

K.C. Wright: You know, Jesus didn't say "if you fast"; he said "when." Ouch hallelujah.

We will have a link to all things Erin, including this great book, at 413podcast.com/234. 413podcast.com/234. And, of course, that includes a transcript of what you just heard so you can go back and review all the Scriptures she included.

Jennifer Rothschild: Good word.

Well, I really do trust her to give all of us the best guidance on this. Let's all invite God to our tables. And as Erin already said, he is already there. So let's taste and see that the Lord is good. He is good --

K.C. Wright: All the time.

Jennifer Rothschild: And all the time --

K.C. Wright: He is good.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, he is.

K.C. Wright: And his mercy endures forever.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

K.C. Wright: Now let's go enjoy some lunch.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

K.C. Wright: I'm craving Chipotle, like I do every day at this time.

Until next week, our friends, remember that whatever you face, however you feel, you can do all things through Christ who gives you strength. I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

K.C. Wright: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, you can.

K.C. Wright: What if heaven is like Paula Deen's heaven?

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh.

K.C. Wright: And the streets of gold are actually streets of butter.

Jennifer Rothschild: Butter. And then what would that make the River of Life?

K.C. Wright: There's a feast. There's a table he set before us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, he has.

K.C. Wright: There's a feast. I mean --

Jennifer Rothschild: I'm thinking it's maybe maple syrup running down the River of Life.

K.C. Wright: But until then, we got to hone in.

Jennifer Rothschild: Got to be balanced.

K.C. Wright: That's right. Take care of the temples God's given us.