4:13 Podcast: Can I Own My Everyday Influence? With Bobi Ann Allen [Episode 187]

Bobi Ann Allen: When those people or that circumstance comes across, we now put it up against the Gospel. We put it up against who we know God to be, we put it up against our doctrines and our values, and we grow from that as our foundational starting place. And that's a lot of work, if I'm just going to be honest, because we like to think in the abstract a lot of times, "Well, of course I believe that."

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Bobi Ann Allen: But believing it and saying it in the abstract, but then walking it out, takes us to a completely different place as leaders, as influencers, because we do influence other people as they watch us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Do you want to make a difference with your life but feel like you just don't have much influence? Well, you might feel inadequate for the task, or maybe you feel limited by all those responsibilities you've got. You, my friend, though, have incredible influence. And today you're going to learn what it means to own it. When you live a lifestyle of leadership, it turns the mundane into meaningful and the small into significant. So today, author Bobi Ann Allen is going to help you define what it means to live out your purpose. She's even going to help you create your own personal mission statement. So if you feel like your life is just plain ordinary, you are about to discover that your no-big- deal life can be the place of huge influence. So watch out world, here she comes. All right, K.C., let's do it.

K.C. Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you. Now, your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hello, our people. Welcome. We're so glad you're here. I'm Jennifer, here to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you live the "I Can" life of Philippians 4:13. And every few episodes I have to remind you that the two most important words in that verse are not "I Can." This is not a spiritual superpower; this is through Christ. Philippians 4:13 is our reminder that whatever God calls us to do, however he has created us and designed us to be, you got that, you can do that, you can be that. Not through your own strength, but through Christ's strength in you. So you trust and yield and rely on that power so that you can live this "I Can" 4:13 life.

Now, hold on one second. I just realized my phone is on. Okay, hold on. You know why? I'll tell you why my phone is still on. I got it off. Okay. But let me tell you why it's still on.

K.C. Wright: You should tell them --

Jennifer Rothschild: It's because of what we were talking about.

K.C. Wright: You should tell them how you know your phone is on. Because your phone is in your boot.

Jennifer Rothschild: My phone is in my boot. That's right, K.C.

K.C. Wright: That's a behind-the-scenes thing that I think is a hoot.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. I'm wearing my red cowboy boots right now, and I keep my phone in my boots. And so it'll vibrate and it'll -- yeah, and it was starting to -- I heard it. You can't hear it on the mic, I'm glad. But I use voiceover with my phone, because I'm blind, and I heard my little British voice in my boot speaking. But I'll tell you why I had it on and forgot to turn it off is because K.C. and I were just freaking out -- you showed up in time for our freak-out to end, I just want you to know.

K.C. Wright: We are.

Jennifer Rothschild: But we were freaking out because --

K.C. Wright: We were freaking out.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- we feel like we're being spied on.

K.C. Wright: We are. And, no, I don't feel --

Jennifer Rothschild: It's true.

K.C. Wright: -- like that, it's a fact.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's a fact.

K.C. Wright: We know it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. You know who's spying on us? They're spying on you too. Facebook. Okay. So I was just telling K.C. -- and then we have these same stories. So I was talking to a friend who -- you know, during the winter she was telling me that her heels were -- she was having trouble -- they were cracking, right?

K.C. Wright: Right, right.

Jennifer Rothschild: Typical problem. We must have talked about that for five minutes over lunch. Okay? And we talked about creams and socks, et cetera. Okay, I get on my phone after lunch and there's all these ads for foot cream.

K.C. Wright: Coincidence? We think not.

Jennifer Rothschild: No.

K.C. Wright: No.

Jennifer Rothschild: And so what happened to you, then, the same day, K.C.?

K.C. Wright: Well, I was complaining that a bird could build a nest in my bald spot, and I'm tired of it and I want hair. And all of a sudden, I go to my Instagram and there's a hair lab commercial from Arkansas telling me how I can get rid of that little bitty tiny -- and it is tiny -- bald spot. Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: See? They're listening.

K.C. Wright: So here's what we're thinking.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, what are we thinking?

K.C. Wright: It's a little podcast tip for you.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, good. What?

K.C. Wright: Let's say you want your husband to buy you something. You've got a birthday coming up, an anniversary, Mother's Day. When he lays his phone down, walk over to his phone and shout into his phone exactly what you want.

Jennifer Rothschild: Diamond ring, diamond ring, diamond ring.

K.C. Wright: Then walk away. And then when he scrolls Facebook and Instagram, boom, you got your ring, and you can say thank you to K.C. and Jennifer.

Jennifer Rothschild: And he will think it was his idea. Okay, I'm so glad we just redeemed our issue with Facebook. Okay, that's good. But you know what? I'm just saying, that has nothing to do with the conversation that we're having today, but K.C. and I were just still trying to get over the emotion of it.

K.C. Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I know this is not new news to anybody. We all know this has been going on. But it is crazy. Okay, but here's what I got to tell you guys. I'm excited you're going to hear this conversation with Bobi Ann Allen today. And Bobi Ann and I, we go back a few years. Okay? And here's why. So you may know that part of my ministry is called womensministry.net. Okay? Let me just say, it was about 2014, womensministry.net established this Board of Directors. Well, Bobi Ann Allen, because she's this incredible women's minister, was asked to be on this Board of Directors. And I hadn't met her yet. And over the years -- okay? -- she has really continued to serve, because a few years later we moved womensministry.net, we transitioned it to a leadership library. Okay? And so here's this woman, the amazing Bobi Ann Allen, and she is responsible for the womenministry.net newsletter email that comes out every two weeks with the Leader Links. If you guys have not checked this out, you go to my website, jenniferrothschild.com and you'll see a place to sign up for Leader Links, womensministry.net email. It is such great resources.

I just was with Bobi over Christmastime -- because we live in different states -- and I was telling her, you know, you back in the day I used to open the email just to make sure everything's cool, you know. Now I open it because her content is so good and I learn so much. So you all need to check that out. I am super grateful for Bobi Ann Allen. She does such a good job with all of it. And she's a great leader in ministry right now. She's very purposeful in what she provides for women and she just -- she's a rockstar. So I'm glad you get to meet her today.

K.C. Wright: Bobi Ann Allen is a pastor's wife, mom, and women's minister at Willowbrook Church in Huntsville, Alabama. She's the author of the "Jesus, Our Joy," "There Is More To Your Story," Bible studies, and the coauthor of "Own Your Everyday Influence." Raised in a small East Texas town, Bobi Ann travels and speaks to audiences all over the country on topics connected with the how-tos of intentionally merging Biblical truth with real-life living -- hello -- as well as ministering to the hearts of women in her very own home church. Bobi Ann still finds her greatest joy in ministry opening God's Word. Bobi Ann shares her life with her pastor husband, their opinionated children, and a Boston terrier named Poppy.

Jennifer Rothschild: I love it.

K.C. Wright: Here's Jennifer and Bobi Ann.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Bobi Ann, we've become super familiar with this term "influencer" -- okay? -- because of Instagram and, you know, social media in general. So I'm curious, in your book you're talking about everyday influence, you know. And so I'm wondering, is what you write about similar to, or is it different, from what we think of when we think of influencers like on Instagram?

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah. Gosh, that's such a good question. Because what we -- in some ways it's such a good thing that we have become familiar with this word "influencer," because a lot of what we see, say on Instagram, with an influencer is -- we are seeing people, granted a highlight reel of their lives. It is part of just how they're doing life. And it does shed some light to the fact that in our everyday walking along kind of thing, we have influence. Now, I think the difference that we see here than what we might see on social media is the people that we are doing life with, our kids, our spouses, our coworkers, our parents, whoever it is that God has crossed our paths with in our everyday, they get more of a viewpoint. They get to see more than the highlight reel, which means that the amount of influence that we have, the capacity we have to influence these people is enormous. And so I love that that word "influencer" has become part of our language, words that we understand, but I think it's important to understand, too, that just because we may not have a huge following on Instagram doesn't mean we don't have a large capacity to...

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. I love that distinction. Because I think a lot of women would have thought at the onset, Wait a minute. Well, I've got ten Facebook friends and only two of them ever say hi. You know? I got no influence.

Bobi Ann Allen: True.

Jennifer Rothschild: But what I'm hearing you saying, too, it's not just the quantity of people, but it is the quality of your life and the quality of those relationships where your influence really shows up. So I love what you're doing in your book, because in the first section of your book you talk about the fact that influence starts with owning your identity. Okay? So I have a feeling that's going to connect back with what you're talking about with this influence, even if it's in a smaller -- or great capacity, maybe, with smaller numbers. So explain what you mean by this and why it matters.

Bobi Ann Allen: Well, I think when we consider our identity -- and certainly when we use identity in churchy language, we absolutely have to think of ourselves as who we are in Christ. First of all, absolutely that we are no longer who we were when we have come into relationship with Christ. But in the book, I try to take that even a little step further to understand that when we think of it in terms of influence, that -- even you and I, Jennifer, have very different personalities, we have different passions, we have different spiritual gifts, and God has uniquely created us in such a way for how he wants us to influence people.

And I use an example -- or just a story in the book that -- I love to tell this story, because I have an uncle who is actually a professional artist -- he's actually a professor at Texas A&M University -- and I have grown up around his art my entire life. It's always there in somebody's house when we go have Christmas or Thanksgiving, and it's just kind of been there. But I was in college -- and actually did not go to Texas A&M, but went to another college, and I was part of the Fine Arts Department. And I walked in one day to the fine arts building and there was this art on the gallery walls. They changed it out rather often. And I walked in and immediately I recognized it, like, hmm, this looks super familiar. And I walked up and there's this little placard on the wall that, sure enough, has my uncle's name on it. And you would have thought I did the art. I was so proud of it, I wanted to tell everybody who that art belonged to. But as that art sat there or hung on the walls those weeks and months that it was there, every time I had time between classes, I would just study that art. And all of a sudden, this art that had been around me for years took on a whole new meaning because I began to see details and shading that I had never seen.

And I use that story to say that that's how we're described in the Bible, is a masterpiece, a work of art that God has created to accomplish a good work that he had for us. And a lot of times we see it maybe as self-centered or self-absorbed if we take the time to really look at the way that God created us, our personalities, our passions, our spiritual gifts, our talents, all of these things, but instead, by doing that and beginning to embrace that, we're really giving credit to the Artist and saying, "Hey, how do you want me to use my influence in the unique way I was created?" Not because we're some special snowflake, but because God has a good work for us. And being able to really own that means that, wait a second, I don't have to be like such and such, I don't have to have a bunch of social media followers in order to carry out the good work that God has for us. But a lot of times we haven't owned it, we haven't embraced it because we haven't taken the time to look at the unique ways that God has created us. And so it is really establishing our identity and even that, Hey, you know what? Yeah, maybe I am a little bit more introverted than someone else, or more task oriented than someone else, but God made me that way. Wonder what he wants to do with that in relationship to our influence.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's interesting as you describe that, I hear you saying, yeah, we're to own our identity, yet at the same time we're stewarding it.

Bobi Ann Allen: Oh, yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Because if the "I" in identity gets so big, then we miss out on recognizing that God-breathed wiring that he's given us and how that impacts the world and the influence. And here's the thing, Bobi Ann. When we really do sit down and just kind of study ourselves in light of what did the Artist do here, then I think there's this confidence that can well up in us. And I think that's what -- ultimately when we know who we are in Christ and we're comfortable with it, then we do have confidence and then we can live out our influence. So here we are in the middle of our lives, right? We kind of get a picture of this, we're doing it, and then what I call the sandpaper person, or the sandpaper situation, shows up. And, dude, it rubs us wrong and it pushes back, it challenges our confidence. And so even if you're an experienced leader, you know, and you're comfortable with your influence, you still feel this. Everyone does. I know you've been in leadership a long time. You are living out your influence, you've owned it. So how do you deal with it? What kind of choices do you make to keep on living out your influence when somebody shakes your confidence?

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah. I wish that there were a time when we would say, "Okay, I've arrived. I've got this under control, I know what I'm doing." But God, in all his wisdom, is constantly doing his work of sanctification and growing us. And so I would say, like -- you know, that's such a good question, because I think it's about -- and so much of even what I talk about in the book -- is just kind of beginning to articulate the desire to continually grow from a place of humility, to say, Hey, you know what? Even the way that God created me is part of how he wants to use me. But the experiences he gives me, the people he lets cross my path, are part of how he wants to grow me to be more in the image of his son.

And so this idea of when someone comes across your path that is that sandpaper person, one of the things that I have really just -- I've been teaching on recently about this -- is I have come to this belief -- and I've seen it in my own life, I've seen it in people that I've had the opportunity to walk alongside -- is that I think a lot of us have this -- our belief system in what I would call clouds over our heads. We have these things that we know. Yeah, I believe that. But when we begin to pull them out from above our heads and we begin to root them into our lives by actually articulating our value systems and our belief systems, when those people or that circumstance comes across, we now put it up against the Gospel. We put it up against who we know God to be, we put it up against our doctrines and our values, and we grow from that as our foundational starting place. And that's a lot of work, if I'm just going to be honest, because we like to think in the abstract a lot of times of, "Well, of course I believe that."

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Bobi Ann Allen: But believing it and saying it in the abstract, but then walking it out, takes us to a completely different place as leaders, as influencers, because we do influence other people as they watch us walk those things out. But we have to do it from a place of setting the foundation of what do I truly believe? Not what are these values or beliefs that are kind of hanging over my head, but what have I nailed down and rooted and let it sink into my heart and the way I live and interact with someone else?

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, I guess when you really do that, that hard work -- I mean, just think about it, clouds, they move with the wind. But things that are rooted, they are stable.

So you mentioned values and beliefs, and that leads to the next section of your book, because it's on the impact of your values on your everyday influence.

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: So let's talk about that connection.

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah. So our values -- and I use the word "values" in the book really to help us -- almost as a filter, if you will, because there's a lot of good things that we can value. But I think that uniquely based off of our personalities, based off of our life experiences, there are things that we value more than other things. And in the book, I give actually a pretty extensive list of values. I'll just -- some of them would be -- you can value respect or you can value honesty, you can value gratitude. You can value lots of things. But if you value everything, well, then you've really valued nothing. And so it is this choosing and really kind of embracing, Hey, what in my life can I say, you know what, I value -- I value gratitude and living a life of gratitude and that God honors a thankful heart and that we acknowledge God in these things. When we begin to nail those down and create for ourselves some articulated value systems, and even statements that we can make, it really does change how we approach just new situations, new circumstances. Even a pandemic, you know, it affects how we view it. It's our worldview. And the choices we make from those things are so impacted by what we've said and what we've embraced that we value.

And so I have become really a big believer. And again, I think it would be something that would benefit everyone. I know that not everyone's personality is like, Yes, let me write some goals or some values. That's not -- just everybody doesn't get excited about that. But it does give you something to constantly come back to. And I found particularly when we're tired -- and we can get tired because of all sorts of things, whether it's a busy schedule, whether it's trauma that we're facing, a tragedy, an illness, a -- if we've already established, Hey, these are the things I value, it becomes a foundation for which we build our lives.

And just like it talks about in Matthew 7, we can build our lives on a sandy foundation or we can build our lives on the Rock. And when we build our lives on a set of values that, hey, we're starting here, and whatever comes, whatever wind, whatever storm, whatever waves, this is the place from which we will filter this information, we will filter circumstances, the people that come in our lives, the people that walk out of our lives. Whatever happens, that using some value statements gives us a place, when we're tired, to kind of come back and go, Wait a second. I've already set this up. This is already -- me and God, we're going from here.

Jennifer Rothschild: There's some weary women listening right now who are identifying. And I think you're giving some very practical advice. Even if someone listening is not like a big value statement gal, it really is part of this process of knowing your identity and owning your identity and stewarding your influence. Because like you said, if you don't know what you value, one of two things is going to happen: you're going to value nothing or you're going to value everything that everyone else values and find yourself just at the end of yourself. So I think even for those who may be like, "Oh, I am not one of these," you know, "I'm just organic, I'm a creative," even you can sit down and think through this. So let's talk about that briefly, because I know you created value statements, Bobi Ann, for your home and for yourself personally. So explain what a personal value statement is and how someone can use it.

Bobi Ann Allen: Okay. Yeah. So I actually -- before I ever created a personal value statement, we created one for our home. And we did it through -- just to give you a little background on how we did for a home and then I'll talk about personally how I've done it. But we did it with -- my husband and I both actually took a list of values, and separately we went and said, Hey, why don't we kind of make -- what do you value the most for our family? And then we brought that back together. And if I was honest, we just kind of negotiated through them. Like, in the sense that -- recognizing, hey, if we have 25 values, we can't really concentrate on any of these to say, Hey, in this family, we value honesty, we value lifelong learning, we value respect. We can identify those and talk about them and come back to them, but we had to kind of do a little negotiation to realize, hey, yeah, you know what? This one is even more important to me than another one. And so we actually have them hanging in our home where we can kind of go back to. And when we need correction -- any one of us, not just the children, sometimes the parents need some correction -- to go, "Wait a second. I do value this, but I'm not living this out and I need some redirection."

But I think that that is -- that same concept, then, we can take into ourselves personally, into our interpersonal relationships that we have with coworkers and with -- with our spouses, which is still in our family, but that more intimate relationship, the relationships we have with aging parents or nieces or nephews or neighborhood kids, or whoever it is that God's given us, when we begin to establish -- first of all, sometimes I think it's important to establish what our current values are, because you mentioned that. Sometimes we just replicate values that we see.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

Bobi Ann Allen: We replicate a value of conformity. And when we go, no, that -- as a Christ follower, I don't want to value conformity. I want to value Godliness and being set apart. And so sometimes we have to kind of call out, Wait a second. I have been living this value and I need to shift this to, you know what? I value holiness in that. And so for us, we can kind of look at that in our own interpersonal relationships of what do I value in who I am and how I'm going to interact with the people that God has given me to influence.

And some of those that are on the list is courage. You know what? I'm not naturally courageous. I'm fearful. But I believe that God calls us to be brave. Because we are rooted in him, that we respond in faith. That if we know about ourselves, that I don't want to be a fearful person, then we can say that is something that I know I value. And to be able to put those in statements that we can come back to, and even back up with Scripture, like using the one of courage. You know, 2 Timothy 1:7 says, "For the spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love, and self-discipline." To just back it up with Scripture that this is something that honors God. And I want to value that because I know that naturally that may be not something that I lean into.

Jennifer Rothschild: I'm curious how long it took you -- well, I can imagine with the -- it was probably like an act of Congress by the time you all compromised and got your family one.

Bobi Ann Allen: Certainly.

Jennifer Rothschild: Like for you personally, I mean, did this happen in a day for you? Did this happen in two weeks? Was it three years? Like, how long did it take for you to really refine your personal mission statement?

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah. That's a really great question, and I think one that -- I would be surprised and even wary of someone that was able to do it super fast. Because it is something that was really a striving and a labor of really spending some time to hear from God, spending some time to really -- I mean, I could go over a list of values and circle a few, go, "Oh, I like this, I like this, I like this." But then to even begin to refine that of, "God, what are you putting on my heart? What needs to be refined in my own life?" So for me, I would say it was not even a week. It was more like weeks of spending some concentrated time on that just to process. Now, not all of that even was, "Hey, I'm going to sit here and just listen." Some of that was listening as I went.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Bobi Ann Allen: And who is God putting in my path? What are the Godly conversations I'm having that's a similar message that I'm just being attentive to hearing from God on them? And then even bringing those back to God. "God, I feel like I'm hearing this over and over. Is this from you? Is this something you're trying to tell me?" And listening to God and seeking to hear his voice in some of those. And then I think, too, recognizing that you can put together a plan, if you will. But there's also so much grace in that to acknowledge that, Hey, you know what? At this season in my life, I valued this a lot, but God has brought something else up to the surface, that as I enter into different seasons that he's really showing me the value of this for right now. And to be able to change some of those and this being an ongoing process is really an important thing, too, because it's -- it's not meant to be legalistic, it's not meant to be rigid, it's really just meant to be a tool and a guide of something that you can kind of come back to and say, "This is what God has shown me," and I move forward with God and in relationship with others from here.

Jennifer Rothschild: I'm glad you said that, because there's a lot of us -- well, okay, me -- who I think, okay, if I pick a vision statement or a mission statement, then until the day I am put in the grave, it cannot change.

Bobi Ann Allen: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I'm glad you said that, because seasons do change.

Bobi Ann Allen: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: But the core -- of course, the core is never going to change. Like our attitude. And, in fact, that's -- this will be our last question, Bobi Ann -- because this is how you and the book talking about the importance of attitude. And so I am curious when it comes to how our attitude impacts our influence, give me an idea of what kind of attitude, you know, that we need to have, and how does a listener get that kind of attitude?

Bobi Ann Allen: Oh, that's a -- yeah. You know what? Scripture tells us in Philippians that we should have the same attitude of Christ, who -- and even in Philippians it says, "who made himself nothing." And having an attitude of humility that -- and even that thing that we talked about a minute ago of this constant growing, that we are being sanctified constantly, that we don't know everything. That just because God has allowed us to steward influence doesn't mean that we have some special power over someone else. It doesn't mean that we should be controlling or telling people what to do. It means that we are living out this Christ in us. Colossians 1:29, it talks about that we are striving and laboring to live the power of Christ through us. And so it is even allowing our influence to be people watching us struggle, and doing so in the power of the one who is residing inside of us. Not because we are, like, something better than everyone else, but because we have been absolutely transformed by the power of Christ in us.

But I think, how do we do this? I wish that it was that organic way that you said. I wish that it didn't involve so much discipline and even self-control on our part. But I think it does involve that, not so that we can have a set of rules to follow, but so that we make sure that our lives are not so cluttered with our flesh and with the things that we would do that there is not room for Christ to move in us. And so that is making sure that we're watching our thought life that -- what are the thoughts that I'm having towards others? What are the thoughts that I'm having towards who I am? What is this inner self-talk I've got going on? It's about watching our words and -- because our thoughts become our words, and then our words become our attitudes. Because these things that begin to come out of our mouth -- as (inaudible), "Hey, let me try that one on for size" -- can really become solidified to those attitudes. And our attitudes, which is why we have to be so careful with them and kind of do a motive check, is because those become our actions. It becomes the choices that we're making. And our choices become habits and these rhythms that we begin to live in, and then our rhythms become part of our character. And so all of these kind of feed into each other, and all of them impact the influence that God has entrusted us with and this opportunity we have to live with the same attitude, that of Christ.

Jennifer Rothschild: You know, she referred to us having that same attitude that was in Christ Jesus of humility and servanthood. Of course, she's referring to that beautiful passage in Philippians 2. So let's redeem our phones actually, K.C. You pull out your phone because I know you've got your Bible app.

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: Why don't you read for us Philippians 2. I believe it's 5 through 11.

K.C. Wright: Verse 5. "In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus, who being in very nature of God" -- that doesn't make sense.

Jennifer Rothschild: "Who being in very nature God."

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: I think it's a comma.

K.C. Wright: Okay. "Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross." Verse 9. "Therefore, God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

K.C. Wright: -- every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God --

Jennifer Rothschild: To the glory of God.

K.C. Wright: -- the Father."

Jennifer Rothschild: I just love to have Scripture read. I love to hear it. So thank you so much, K.C., for doing that.

In fact, speaking of having Scripture read, I tell you all the time how much I love the Dwell Bible app. Because I just love to hear my guy from South Africa -- his name is Gregory. He reads the Scripture and it's just beautiful. It's just beautiful. There's just something about hearing the human voice reading those divine words of God. So if you have not checked out the Dwell Bible app yet, go to 413podcast.com/dwell, because there's a special offer there, and I want you to be able to access this incredible Bible app. We'll also have a link for it, of course, on the show notes.

K.C. Wright: And do go to the show notes at 413podcast.com/187 to read a transcript of this entire conversation just for you. Plus, you can get Bobi Ann's book there too.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yep.

K.C. Wright: All right. Until next week, remember, you can make a difference, you can be a light in this world, no matter how dark it seems. You can own your everyday influence because -- here's how -- you can do all things through Christ who gives you supernatural dunamis strength. I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

Jennifer and K.C.: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

K.C. Wright: And we'd like to give a shout out to our iPhones, who are listening right now.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, since you're listening, iPhone.

K.C. Wright: I want to give a shout out to K.C.'s iPhone.

Jennifer Rothschild: I'm want to give a shout out to Jennifer's iPhone.

K.C. Wright: Aruba, Aruba.

Jennifer and K.C.: Aruba, Aruba.

K.C. Wright: Aruba.