4:13 Podcast: Can I Foster a Family Culture of Simplicity? With Jennifer Pepito [Episode 340]

Jennifer Pepito: You still have the opportunity to be faithful. You don't have to just get on Facebook every day for hours. You could spend some of that time calling your kids or writing a letter to somebody or praying for missionaries or baking a meal for one of those young families who are in the thick of the physically intense season of motherhood. So there's so many ways that -- whether you're a young mom or an older mom, that we can still display these habits of faithfulness and still make a real difference in our culture. And I think some of these younger moms really are crying out for some of the older moms to be a mentor, to be a guide, to exhibit some of these habits of faithfulness that made a real difference.

Jennifer Rothschild: Did you know that you can change the world by changing your home one habit at a time? In a world as chaotic as it is right now, it can feel downright difficult to be raising kids. Our culture just seems to have come unhinged from timeless values. But today's guest, Jennifer Pepito, wants you to know that there is hope. This mom of seven is going to help us establish nine habits and practices in our homes to foster peace, simplicity, and stability during turbulent times.

You may have a house full of people, or you may live in an empty nest, or maybe it's just you and your dog. No matter what, this podcast will give you a source to find some habits that will lead you to peace. So let's go.

KC Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can truly do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now, would you welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hey, friends, Jennifer here. My goal is to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you're living the "I Can" life. Along with me and KC here, it's Christ in us who empowers us to be who he has created us and called us to be and to do what he has called us to do. That's the thing, my people. We just want to do whatever it is that God has called us to do through his power, not our own. And that's the 4:13 life.

And listen, today we're going to talk about a culture of simplicity. I got to tell you one thing, KC. We're going to read some reviews today, y'all, because you guys have been so generous. And we don't brag on you enough, so we're about to do that.

KC Wright: Come on.

Jennifer Rothschild: But before we do, I have to tell you one thing.

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: So we're talking about a culture of simplicity. I remember back in the fall my mom was visiting, and our son Connor was home, and we all went over to Clayton and Caroline's house. So Clayton had gotten all these old hymnals from our church, because our church just stopped using hymnals. We only use screens now. So he brought home a handful of them. And he wanted us all to open up the hymnal, and we would turn from page to page and we would just sing hymns together.

KC Wright: What?

Jennifer Rothschild: It was the sweetest evening. I will never forget it. Talk about a culture of simplicities. Because, number one, I mean, most people don't know how to read sheet music anymore.

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Which, you know, you don't have to be a musician to know how to -- when the notes are up, you sing up; when the notes are lower, you sing lower. But anyway...

And it's the doctrine of the hymns, it was the lack of bells and whistles of having to have, you know, accompaniment. We just sang a cappella. And it was the -- I've never forgotten it. Talk about a culture of simplicity. Anyway, I'm just throwing that out there. Because as you hear this conversation with Jennifer and me, Jennifer, you are going to, I think, be inspired, no matter what your family structure is like, to engage in some simplicity.

But before we get simple, let's get beautiful, because we want to tell you guys thank you for some of your reviews.

KC Wright: Yes. It's a simple little way for you to help us boost all of the things with the interwebs and the podcast things.

Jennifer Rothschild: Interwebs.

KC Wright: When you write a little review -- it's not about us. This podcast is not about us, it's about you -- but it helps us reach one more heart.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yep.

KC Wright: And that, my friend, is why we're here. Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yep.

KC Wright: So thank you, Texas Daddy Girl. Texas Daddy's Girl. Excuse me.

Jennifer Rothschild: I love that handle.

KC Wright: She gave us five stars. And this was her review. "I fell in love with this podcast the first time I heard it. I started at the very beginning and listened almost every day until I heard every single one. Jennifer and KC are a blast and brighten my day. I can't wait for the next episode. Thank you both for all of your encouragement and hard work that goes into this podcast. I greatly appreciate y'all."

Jennifer Rothschild: Y'all.

KC Wright: So we know she's from Texas.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, that's right. Texas Daddy Girl.

KC Wright: 'Cause she stamped that "y'all."

Jennifer Rothschild: I love that.

KC Wright: Okay, a couple more real quick. Snew53, five stars. Thank you. She titled it "What a Lift!" "I learned about Jennifer in my small group at church. She is so contagious and uplifting. I recently met her in person at The Cove at the Billy Graham Training Center in Asheville."

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: "I am so blessed to know her and follow her. I love her practical steps and her spiritual teachings." I like it that she used the word "practical steps."

Jennifer Rothschild: Me too. Me too.

KC Wright: That's simplicity, Jenn.

Jennifer Rothschild: It is. And that's what we want.

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: We want this doable. We don't want to just be inspired; we want to be equipped.

KC Wright: There's so many here, and I can't thank you enough for doing this. But Patient Endurance, five stars.

Jennifer Rothschild: I love her handle.

KC Wright: She said, "Jennifer, you always ask the perfect questions, which is why I believe you are inspired by the Holy Spirit. So thankful for you and all that you do for Jesus."

And there's many more, but we want to jump into the podcast. But can we just say thank you?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, thank you.

KC Wright: It's a simple thing, but it's --

Jennifer Rothschild: It's a big deal.

KC Wright: It's like throwing a stone in a pond; it makes a lot of waves. So it really affects those who listen and helps us make more of an impact.

Jennifer Rothschild: It sure does. And we love hearing from you. We really do.

KC Wright: Okay. Jennifer Pepito.

Jennifer Rothschild: Pepito.

KC Wright: Jennifer -- say it again.

Jennifer Rothschild: No, no, we are not going to edit this.

KC Wright: You are cutting this out.

Jennifer Rothschild: No, no.

KC Wright: Jennifer --

Jennifer Rothschild: Pepito. Okay, I'm going to start the intro for KC. Jennifer Pepito --

KC Wright: Is the host of Restoration Home Podcast. She's a podcaster like us.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know she is.

KC Wright: Author of "Mothering By The Book" and -- I got to do that again.

Jennifer Rothschild: No, you are not.

KC Wright: Mothering --

Jennifer Rothschild: She is author of "Mothering By The Book." Keep going.

KC Wright: And founder of the Peaceful Press. Jennifer is on a mission -- just like our Jennifer -- to help moms overcome fear and live with wonder and purpose. Her homeschool curriculum empowers this mission through heroic stories, heartwarming poetry, and engaging life skill development. She lives in the mountains with her beloved family, where she enjoys reading aloud, working in her garden, and watching the sunset. Aw.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know. Isn't that nice?

KC Wright: I kinda want to go to her house right now.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know. Me too.

KC Wright: Pull up your chair, people, and enjoy this life-giving conversation between -- get this -- Jennifer and Jennifer.

Jennifer Rothschild: Jennifer and Jennifer. That was awesome, KC. You did it. I am not editing.

All right. Jennifer, your book "Habits For A Sacred Home," it's going to give us nine practices that are going to help restore our modern families. Okay. But before we get to those practices -- which I do want us to go through some of them -- I want to know first up right off the bat, what is a sacred home, and why do we need one?

Jennifer Pepito: Well, I love this question, Jennifer, because I think sometimes when people hear that word "sacred," they get nervous.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Jennifer Pepito: They're like, Well, I still have teenagers at home, and they're not at all sacred. And, you know, I'm still in the midst of diaper changes; there's nothing sacred about my days.

But sacred just means consecrated. And so as -- you know, for people of faith, this can be consecrating your home to the Lord. But even just the idea that your home is a sacred space for your own values, I think, is so important to recognize. That it doesn't mean perfect, it just means it's a consecrated space and there's a purpose for it. And I loved -- you know, one of the educators that I have studied in my life as a homeschool resource person is Charlotte Mason, and she said that she was creating a school for the service of the Lord. And I think she was echoing Saint Benedict when she said that. And so just looking at our homes not as just these places where people eat and sleep, but actually as places where people are, you know, imbued with life and values and hope and purpose gives us so much more meaning in our own application of our daily lives.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's so intentional. I love that. And I'll be honest, this is a newer concept to me, to think of it as a sacred space. I have thought of it as a very -- our home as a very intentional space, it's -- you know, I have certain values that I know. But in my home specifically, I have my office, and I call it the Room of Peace. And literally, anyone starts to have conflict in there, I'm like, "Out, out, out. We're not having conflict in the Room of Peace." We can have it somewhere else, you know. So that's what I mean, I was that intentional about that one room. But I love this concept of thinking about our whole home as sacred space.

And I think one of the ways that this probably becomes a manifestation of something much deeper is this. Because you talk about in your book -- you ask people to evaluate their current rule of life. Okay? So tell us what a rule of life is and how that might impact our home and if it could be a sacred space.

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. And this is such an encouraging concept to me, Jennifer, because in the last four years there's been a lot of events in the world. Do you know what I mean? It's been a very intense time in the world. And I live in California. I think it's been especially amplified in California in some ways.

And so I was feeling really scared, and then I started researching some of these ancient saints, you know, like Saint Benedict. And he lived through a very dark time in history as well -- it was called the Dark Ages for a reason -- and yet he created this rule of life and he created a community around that rule of life. And many scholars would say that the Monastic Movement saved Western civilization. That because these monks were in their monasteries writing down the ancient texts and, you know, writing down -- keeping the art, keeping the recipes or the sacred ideas from history, because they were doing that, they actually saved Western civilization.

And this is so encouraging for me to think that mothers in our homes, we also could have this kind of lifestyle where we are keeping some of the traditional practices that helped families be healthy in history. And as we're doing this, we might look a little weird to a culture that's completely unhinged, but in many ways, we are also saving civilization. We're saving, you know, healthy, normal practices like eating dinner as a family or praying together or being kind to each other. You know, there's so many practices that were historically accepted, and yet in our modern world they're kind of -- things are just a little bit crazy right now.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting that those kind of almost -- the most anchoring grounding habits are the ones that we have let go of to try to keep up. They're habits. I mean, that is -- you know, they're practices, but they're also habits. And so since we talked about -- you just mentioned a couple of those examples. What are some examples of actually unhealthy habits in our homes that we have fallen into?

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting, because whether you're a family of faith or not, so many of us have fallen into these same bad habits. And I think one of them especially is just completely living a virtual life. And I know for you and I, we have online businesses and so we have this pull to be online. But when you sacrifice family dinners or walks with your husband or just real in-person relationships, we are in danger of sort of becoming unhinged.

And not that our own bodies suffer when we have a completely virtual life or a completely online life, our children's bodies suffer, but we fail to be able to pass on our values. And when we're all kind of in our own little virtual realities, we don't know what values our children are adopting. You know what I mean? They probably aren't our values. Because as soon as they look at one thing that's a little bit out of context of what we've maybe raised them to love, then they get fed more and more of that thing. And so there is somewhat a constant vigilance that's needed to just be a normal person.

Some of these unhealthy habits would be, you know, sacrificing family meals for either outside events or just letting everybody be on their phone through every meal. You know, sacrificing normal routines of maybe taking some time to be quiet or walk in nature or look at the sky, you know, just some normal things that people in history have done. Working in a garden, growing flowers, painting, making music, playing the piano, all these kind of normal historical hobbies are very restorative to our souls and our spirits and our creativity, and yet as people go more and more to just a consumer culture of being on their phones -- and this isn't just, like, people who don't have traditional values. This is all of us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right, right. It's a temptation that all of us have.

Jennifer Pepito: Yes, yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, and it's because it seems normal. But I love what you're saying. You're saying almost redefine normal.

Our oldest son, Clayton, he says, "Mom, I just want to be a normie." That's what he calls it. Meaning the historically normal. Like, we were at their home a couple of weeks ago, and he pulled out an old hymnal -- you know, because our church doesn't use hymnals anymore. He pulls out an old hymnal, and we all start singing old hymns together. That's normie. That's what he's talking about, these historically normal things that are somewhat countercultural.

And in your book, you use some stories of very ordinary women of faith who -- we look at them now and they've become heroes over time. So I would love it -- because these are great examples of this -- if you would share one of those stories with us, and then kind of like how did that woman impact her culture at the time for good?

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. I love that you mention that these were normal women. Because at the time that they were raising their children and creating a household, I don't know that they recognized that they would be famous someday. You know, maybe Ruth Bell Graham. She's the only one I think -- I mean, she had to have had an inkling that Billy Graham would be something big, you know.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. He might go somewhere, yeah.

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. But most of these ladies -- like Elisabeth Elliot, she was just a humble little missionary wife. Edith Schaeffer, they were just doing mission work in Europe and being sort of normal pastoral people. And so some of these people, I don't know that they knew what they would do would be so extraordinary.

But one of them that I think about often, who didn't really become famous, is Ella Tweten. And she was a Norwegian pastor's wife. And the only reason I know about her is that her daughter wrote a book about her. It's called "First We Have Coffee." And it's such a precious book. It just really highlights how much faith her mother had. Like, she lost a child when she was a young mom, and she had to wrestle through that with God, and yet she had so much faith and hope even in the midst of -- according to her daughter, her husband was a bit neglectful and sort of an airy-fairy guy up in the clouds, not thinking too much about the fact that his family had no food to eat or some of these things that were just what was actually needed. But this mother kept praying for her family, kept serving dinner on the table, opened her home for hospitality.

And these are a lot of the practices in the book that I highlight, is just these normie practices of, you know, having a neighbor over for dinner or making a family tradition of praying together before you go to bed or yourself taking time every day to really pray for your family and pray for the world. These little, little small things are what creates heroes, especially in this world where even the normal things have been replaced by a lot of mistrust and sort of numbing out or zoning out online.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. And the normal grounding practices we think are not as flashy, not as trendy, not as cool, not as hip, not as whatever the latest word is, and to me, that's the very reason we need to look back at them and be countercultural.

So you already mentioned a couple of the practices. And some of them are stewardship, prayer, stability, simplicity -- mmm, simplicity -- and hospitality. Okay. So many of these really do feel countercultural or, especially for a young family, almost impossible. All right? And they're not. So I'd love for you just to hone in on one of them or two of them. I'm most curious really about stability. Like, how do we practice stability? What would that look like, and how does that fit into our modern lifestyle?

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. That's such a good question, because it is one of the most countercultural. Because when you -- you know, the whole book, each chapter is basically based on one of the rules of Saint Benedict. So Saint Benedict lived in the early -- like 480 to 547 AD, and he set up this rule of life that he implemented in his monasteries. And so in the book I kind of highlight each one of these different rules and a woman in history who exemplified that habit.

Well, the rule of stability for them meant that they would go into one monastery and they would promise to stay there for life. Which that's so crazy for us, you know, because -- like, some of the authors that I follow, Tsh Oxenreider, for instance, you know, she grew up in Texas, lived in the Pacific Northwest for a while, traveled around the world for a year, grew up evangelical, and now she's Catholic. And I think she'll probably now stay very stable. You know, she's found, like, some anchors in a sense. But this is normal. Do you know what I mean? Normal for us as modern families is we try lots of different communities, we try lots of different churches, we try lots of different jobs. Like, we don't really feel a lot of need or connection to this idea of stability.

Our own family I use in the book as an example. I mean, we've moved, like, 18 times in our married life. So I'm not even including my childhood. We've been in many different churches. My husband has had different jobs throughout those years. And so it's so countercultural to decide, you know what, I'm going to stay in a relationship with my parents even though they made mistakes with me. I'm going to be faithful in this community even though there's other places that have a better cost of living. I'm going to be faithful in this schooling form or this job. There's so many ways in our lives that there could be more stability, and it would actually create a lot of peace for our children.

And I think in the Bible for families of faith, you can see lots of times where God actually called people away from their extended family or away from their community --

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Pepito: -- so I don't think you can make a rule about, oh, you have to stay in the same church forever, you have to stay in the same town forever. But I think having just a little bit more thoughtfulness about these big changes. You know, for us, we were missionaries and we were living in this one house, then we got kicked out and then we had to move into a trailer. And each change that we made created more trauma, and it almost -- then the next decision was also sort of like a trauma decision and there was more pain involved.

And so I think just a warning to families to be a little bit more thoughtful. Don't have a bad day at school and then instantly decide you're going to switch schools, or have a bad day at work and instantly decide you're going to quit. Learn to kind of be like the bison, who they get in a storm and they just keep pushing through that storm. And then being a little more thoughtful and prayerful maybe before you make those big changes, I think could create a lot more stability in families. And if you have stable families, you have stable culture. I think that's a big part of what we're facing in our culture today, is just the fallout of really broken, shaky families.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Okay, this is really inspiring to me. And when I hear you talk about this practice of stability, what you're also doing, you have these little ancillary benefits that come along with it like you're teaching your children perseverance, you're teaching your children resilience, you're teaching faithfulness. And so we need to be very intentional about what we teach. But at the same time, children do catch things also, and those are the kind of things that they're going to see modeled by choosing one practice of stability.

It's really good, Jennifer. And I love the way you have designed the book. It's very accessible. What I like about it too -- because I think of young families. Like my daughter-in-law, this is very much where they are trying to, you know, do their life. This book is doable for her with her four kids and homeschooling, you know. She can read a chapter at a time, she can kind of work it out. This doesn't have to be consumed all at one sitting and feel like, oh, great, now another thing to do. It can be -- you call them practices because it's something we can practice, and it can become a habit.

Jennifer Pepito: Absolutely. They're simple steps. And, you know, I have a community, actually, where we've been studying the book over the course of a year and putting some of those habits into practice, and families are experiencing more peace as they just put really small things -- like reading out loud together every day, it's a really small practice -- it could take you 15 minutes -- but it's a practice that helps your children feel connected to you. It helps you be able to get a feel on how your children are doing and how they're responding in their bodies. Like, are they comfortable enough in their own skin that they could sit through a story? You know, are they connected with you enough that they would want to be close to you? There are so many things that are answered when we just do these really small practices.

And on my Peaceful Press website or on my Instagram, I actually have a connection challenge linked, because so many behavior issues that our children deal with stem from disconnection in family. And so if you just start doing some really simple things, like looking your kids in the eyes every day, doing a simple read a lot every day, giving them a hug every day. And, you know, some families, these are normal practices. But I think that we often don't recognize how fast we get going as families. And pretty soon, you know, you have multiple kids, you're getting them in and out of the car multiple times a day for multiple activities, and basic things like looking them in the eyes and giving them a hug and reassuring them that they're loved and they're precious actually can go out the window when we start living these rushed lifestyles.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. So here's my question then. So I can hear your message right now being so effective with a young family or a mom of young children. But there's moms listening who have teenagers, there's moms listening who have an empty nest, and they're looking back and thinking, man, I wish I had, you know, implemented some of this. What would you say to all of us who are a family -- if you're just, you know, just you and an empty nest, you're still a family. How can we engage now in these practices, and how can it affect our families even now?

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. I love this question, Jennifer. In a lot of the book I actually am applying this to families who maybe even feel like they've made some mistakes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Jennifer Pepito: Like, a lot of us have been at this a while, and we could look back and say, Oh, my gosh, I wish we had done more of this or less of that. And maybe even now, some of these moms are feeling this disconnection with some of their adult children. But I'm so excited that it's never too late to rebuild those bonds.

And I have seven children. The youngest is 15 and the oldest is 30. And some of them did leave my home feeling a little bit more disconnected. You know, some of those middle children can get a little lost in the shuffle as you're raising the youngers or helping out the older ones. And it's been beautiful into those teen and adult years to continue to rebuild those bonds and to be a safe space for them and to be a good listener and to learn how to have a little more faith. Because I think for us moms of older children, sometimes what creates disconnection is fear. You know, they're doing something and we get a little scared about it. And so instead of working on the habit of prayer and releasing them to God -- and, you know, there's an app by John Eldredge called the Pause App.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, yeah. We love that.

Jennifer Pepito: And I do that little prayer, you know, God, I give you everyone and everything --

Jennifer Rothschild: Everything, yes.

Jennifer Pepito: -- you know. Because it's so easy as moms of adult children or older children to constantly be wanting to micromanage them and give them advice all the time. And you really have to have nerves of steel. You have to just be praying and waiting on the Lord with them, instead of getting wound up over some of the things they do and not just trusting that God is working their lives.

And so there's definitely -- this message is for moms of all ages that you still have the opportunity to be faithful. You don't have to just get on Facebook every day for hours. You could spend some of that time calling your kids or writing a letter to somebody or praying for missionaries or baking a meal for one of those young families who are in the thick of the physically intense season of motherhood. So there's so many ways that -- whether you're a young mom or an older mom, that we can still display these habits of faithfulness and still make a real difference in our culture. And I think so many of these younger moms really are crying out for some of the older moms to be a mentor, to be a guide, to exhibit some of these habits of faithfulness that made a real difference in the lives of Benedict's people and can make a big difference today as well.

Jennifer Rothschild: Good word, Jennifer. Good word.

And for the older moms out there listening, you know, you might be listening and thinking, man, I wish I had a redo. You don't need a redo. But you have a right now. And right now can be the way you connect with your adult kids. Right now can be the way you invest in a younger mom and her kids. God redeems everything.

So let's end with this question. It'll be our last one, Jennifer. And I could listen -- I just love this perspective. I could listen to you for hours. But we'll get to our last question. All right. So what is -- we've all heard this conversation, we are very inspired, and so now the podcast is going to end. So what is one of the easiest habits -- or actually, let me change it. Not easy. Nothing's ever really easy. What is maybe one of the most simple habits that we can begin even today, and tell us how to begin it.

Jennifer Pepito: Yeah. You know what, the first habit that I talk about in the book, and I think really the most important, is work. And, you know, that doesn't sound very spiritual in a way. But even a consistent, healthy prayer life requires work and dedication. Even experiencing -- like, if you as a mom want to experience more of the presence of God and more of the delight of God, you have to be willing to put the work in to put your phone down or stop organizing your house, or whatever it is, to be with God. And so I think that without putting in the work, we're not going to get the results.

And the person that I use as an example for this chapter was Edith Schaeffer. And she was living in the mountains of Switzerland with her husband, they didn't have hardly any money. There were all these students coming and going out of her house that she was having to make beds for and make food for, and she was under a lot of pressure physically. But she was so faithful in just putting one foot in front of the other, doing what was set before her each day.

And I'm sure in the early years she thought that her life was maybe a little bit on the shelf. Like, she was just cooking and cleaning while her husband was giving godly lectures, you know. And yet in her lifetime, she wrote, I think, 20 books. Her daughter became one of the great leaders in the homeschool movement with her books "For the Children's Sake" and "For the Family's Sake." And her poem and her work is still remembered today. Even Os Guinness was one of her family's disciples, in a sense, and wrote such beautiful things about her, just saying that she was one of the most inspiring women he'd ever met in his life.

And so I think, you know, when we are willing to stop thinking of work as something that victimizes us, you know, whether it's the work of making another meal for our family, or the work of leading a Bible study, or the work of doing the -- maybe money-making work that we do. Or maybe it's the work of helping out with our grandkids. Whatever that work is, when we can stop acting like we're victims, because there's work to do, and begin to -- you know, whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might. Or whatever you do, do it heartily as to the Lord and not unto men. When we start to look at the work of life as being a gift from God and a way to partner with him in creativity and partner with him in making the world a better place, then we will see culture transformed.

So much of the chaos in our society, like I said, is not even being willing to put in the work of making a marriage better. And so then you have a broken family and then you have kids who get lost in the shuffle. And, you know, there are so many fallouts in culture when we, as women, aren't willing to put in the work to make the world a better place.

Jennifer Rothschild: I loved the practice that she said we start with: work. Consistent prayer requires work. So we put the work in. We stop cleaning, we put the phone down, and we put in the work and we will get results.

KC Wright: Come on. Let's do it. Just put one foot in front of the other.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: In the words -- what's that? Finding Nemo. Just keep swimming.

Jennifer Rothschild: Keep swimming, keep swimming.

KC Wright: Just keep swimming. Your life is not the shelf. Let's evaluate. Let's be willing to stop thinking of work as victimizing us, but instead do our work with a full heart of faith as unto God, because really it is a gift from God.

Jennifer Rothschild: It is a gift from God. Okay. Wow, yes, and amen.

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I loved this show. I love this -- I can't even talk. See, now I'm not going to edit me either. Okay? I loved this so much.

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: I really did.

KC Wright: Me too. And I'm so thankful that we can do this. We can do all things through Christ who gives us supernatural strength. I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

Jennifer and KC: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, you can.

KC Wright: Hey, when you were talking about your Instagram -- I got to tell you this story. I was with a friend the other day. And she's my mom's friend. And she's just an older sweet, sweet lady. She's so sweet. But she was telling a story about her Instagram, and she kept pointing to her teeth.

Jennifer Rothschild: Her teeth?

KC Wright: Her teeth. And she kept talking about her Instagram. And she didn't -- hold on. I forgot the name of it. She has this -- it's a clear plastic thing that goes over your teeth.

Jennifer Rothschild: Invisalign?

KC Wright: Yes. But she was --

Jennifer Rothschild: And she was calling it Instagram?

KC Wright: Yes. And so in the moment, I'm like, do I correct her --

Jennifer Rothschild: No.

KC Wright: -- or just -- we just keep rolling?

Jennifer Rothschild: We keep rolling.

KC Wright: I kept rolling.

Jennifer Rothschild: You keep rolling.

KC Wright: But it was the cutest thing.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's adorable.

KC Wright: Yeah, my Instagram has straightened in my teeth. You know, I sleep with my Instagram.